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I think both "sides" can learn from each other.

The rules have changed though--example: I'm here because you are on the front page over at tech.memeorandum

Do we know which indicators signal a memeorandum listing? It could be algorithmic or listings could be "human" selected...my point is that it's not just what you have to say, but also the level of attention that you have partially gained due to the tech factors influencing the landscape, which non-geeks might not even be aware of, even at the top of the food chain.

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